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explodes the deficit. hurts middle class employment. none has anything to do with the problem that we have which is number one in revenue we are spending too much and number two job creation. none of this helps either one of those things joe trippi and you know that is true. >> i don't know that is true and we won't agree about that. we will agree about one thing. going over the cliff will be far worse than what the president has put forward as a solution. >> sean: no, it is not. >> yes, it will. why don't we go over the cliff and get it over with. that makes sense to me, sean. >> sean: i say from the beginning he wanted to go over the cliff. he gets to blame republicans, tax everybody and gets defense cuts he never dreamed of through se see questions traition. we still have trillion dollars deficits. >> we got to be honest here. >> let's be honest both parties have been lying to the american people about that for years for decades sean. it is not a dam problem. >> sean: and no president has spent like this reckless spender. billy cunni
explodes the deficit. hurts middle class employment. none has anything to do with the problem that we have which is number one in revenue we are spending too much and number two job creation. none of this helps either one of those things joe trippi and you know that is true. >> i don't know that is true and we won't agree about that. we will agree about one thing. going over the cliff will be far worse than what the president has put forward as a solution. >> sean: no, it is not....
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in the deficit. wait a second. i have an audio problem. a what? >> i'm sure brad will correct me when comes up. you will see efforts on immigration reform and gun control and the biggest trade deal in the last generation. the pivot to asia and other foreign policy. >> laura: going to do all this by eg executive decision becaue last time i checkle he still had a republican house. >> stop the extraordinary fiscal cliff negotiations and go back to regular order and pass a real budget and provide an alternative. >> laura: the democrats also might take that advice to pass a budget. >> stop the games and go back to committee process and let paul ryan do his job and have the big debate. >> let's go to you brad on this. i say this to my republican friends. though are all upset he will do executive fiat and rule making. elections have consequences the old cliche quicks in and it is clear that the president s aggressive and he will use every means at his dice posal and if republicans don't like it he will say
in the deficit. wait a second. i have an audio problem. a what? >> i'm sure brad will correct me when comes up. you will see efforts on immigration reform and gun control and the biggest trade deal in the last generation. the pivot to asia and other foreign policy. >> laura: going to do all this by eg executive decision becaue last time i checkle he still had a republican house. >> stop the extraordinary fiscal cliff negotiations and go back to regular order and pass a real...
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are you going to pay down the deficit? if you are going to use it for more government spending we don't want a part of it. senator mcconnell on the republican side seemed to get frustrated because he felt like the democrats were slow walking the th, 18 hours without a response. mcconnell made a call to a well known senator, joe biden to see if he could help. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. no single issue remains an impossible sticking point. a sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest or frankly the courage to close the deal. >> reporter: as senate aide says it was designed to try to jumpstart the talks and consequences of getting a tax increase is a huge concern. >> gregg: what went awry in these talks? >> you heard senator thune. a fiscal cliff deal is a new way calculating inflation that would lower social security payments. democrats say they would do it as part of much bigger deal but it was off the table for the smaller deal they are working on. so democrats called it a poison pill. >>
are you going to pay down the deficit? if you are going to use it for more government spending we don't want a part of it. senator mcconnell on the republican side seemed to get frustrated because he felt like the democrats were slow walking the th, 18 hours without a response. mcconnell made a call to a well known senator, joe biden to see if he could help. >> we're willing to work with whoever can help. no single issue remains an impossible sticking point. a sticking point appears to be...
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insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> joining us now from capitol hill. south dakota republican senator john thune, a member of the budget committee. so, senator, what do you make of the president's plan? >> i'm just glad the president is engaged. you can't do big things in washington, d.c. without presidential leadership. that's what we haven't had. the fact that he is now owe table. better late than never i would argue. at least he is at the table presenting something that will give us a chance hopefully to get some bipartisan support in the senate and perhaps get something to the house that will avert what everybody agrees is a major economic disaster. but we're still waiting for the details and obviously there is a long ways to go and this is a very -- there is going to be a tough needle to thread in order to get this done. >> see, i don't understand why the democrats think that this is an economic disaster going off the cliff since really it's j
insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> joining us now from capitol hill. south dakota republican senator john thune, a member of the budget committee. so, senator, what do you make of the president's plan? >> i'm just glad the president is engaged. you can't do big things in washington, d.c. without presidential leadership. that's what we...
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they aren't serious about our nation's debts and deficits. we are $16 trillion in debt, we are running out of money yet again, trillion dollars deficits every year for the past four years, and get this, we are also borrowing at this moment 46 cents of every dollar they spend in washington. on top of that social security is going bankrupt, as is medicare, and all obama is fighting for is increasing taxes that will only pay for 8 1/2 days of government spending. now president obama has not been a leader on this. he's not been serious. he's been acting weak and, of course, clinging to his radical ideology. enough is enough. maybe it's time to have the republicans call the president's bluff. let him take the country over the fiscal cliff if he so chews. republicans were elected to get the fiscal house in order. maybe it's time to stand up for your kids, your grandchildren. maybe they should dig in their heels and say they are looking out for the future and future generations. maybe now is is a time to take a principle stand and say they are not g
they aren't serious about our nation's debts and deficits. we are $16 trillion in debt, we are running out of money yet again, trillion dollars deficits every year for the past four years, and get this, we are also borrowing at this moment 46 cents of every dollar they spend in washington. on top of that social security is going bankrupt, as is medicare, and all obama is fighting for is increasing taxes that will only pay for 8 1/2 days of government spending. now president obama has not been a...
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still looking at trillion-dollar deficit. that just goes to show spending cuts. right now we don't have them. talks about them and there is accounting fuzzy math going on but there is not any serious entitlement reform. we can't just wait and talk about that in january. needs to be included in any package before we go forward. >> you know, juan, the point she is making when we talk about spending cuts. basically a guy pulling the olives off a meat lover's pizza and saying he is on a diet. something so incidental and ignoring this huge huge problem this black hole that is spending. it's true. we are going nowhere. >> no, i disagree. you know what? >> you like picking the olives off. that's you and spending cuts. >> not only that i like it when the an chofs because then getting lot of antioxidants with my pizza and i feel good about eating the pizza even though i'm bloated. when you look at the reality. alice says the president hasn't put any spending on the table. wrong, the president has left wing face furious with him, alice, because he said we will will put the
still looking at trillion-dollar deficit. that just goes to show spending cuts. right now we don't have them. talks about them and there is accounting fuzzy math going on but there is not any serious entitlement reform. we can't just wait and talk about that in january. needs to be included in any package before we go forward. >> you know, juan, the point she is making when we talk about spending cuts. basically a guy pulling the olives off a meat lover's pizza and saying he is on a diet....
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you know as well as i do this does nothing to deal with the $1 trillion plus deficits we have yearly. this is the fifth year in a row, we're going to have $20 trillion worth of debt on top of $48 trillion worth a long-term liabilities by the time mr. obama leaves office. this is the time to deal with this issue. we've been kicking it down the road ten years. we promised the nation in 2011 under the budget deal with the sequesters we would not let this get away from us. we shouldn't this time. for mr. obama to suggest i've cut a trillion in spending because he saved money on the wars in afghanistan is gimmicks. they a work. >> i have to be honest, it's both sides. it strikes me these lawmakers on either side don't have a real fix to what we're looking at, the national debt, screaming out of control. we're going to exceed that limit on monday night. >> i wouldn't disagree but look at the facts. we did have a republican controlled congress that passed a bill. if reid didn't like the bill, let it go for debate. let his senate vote it down and say no, we're not going to accept these condit
you know as well as i do this does nothing to deal with the $1 trillion plus deficits we have yearly. this is the fifth year in a row, we're going to have $20 trillion worth of debt on top of $48 trillion worth a long-term liabilities by the time mr. obama leaves office. this is the time to deal with this issue. we've been kicking it down the road ten years. we promised the nation in 2011 under the budget deal with the sequesters we would not let this get away from us. we shouldn't this time....
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we hear politicians talk about deficits and debt all the time. >> debt,. >> deficit. >> deaf. debt. >> how they can get it to slow down or tick back the other way continues to be the challenge. but first, where we have been. >> let's look at debt through history. the amount we owe has ebbed and flowed. our country's habit of spending more than it takes in is nothing new. while wree currently at the highest level of debt our country has seen, 1835 saw the lowest recorded debt at just $34,000 under president andrew jackson. it was an unsuccessful assassination attempt on him that year. in 1865 a president that did parish from such an attack, president abraham lincoln over saw a debt of $3 billion. fast-forward to black tuesday in 1929. the most devastating stock market crash in the history of the united states. our national debt rose to $17 billion then. then came world war ii, a very expensive one. and by d-day in 1945 our debt ballooned to $259 billion, a quarter of a trillion dollars. and then to more recent times. the 2008 financial crisis. the amount of our debt our country
we hear politicians talk about deficits and debt all the time. >> debt,. >> deficit. >> deaf. debt. >> how they can get it to slow down or tick back the other way continues to be the challenge. but first, where we have been. >> let's look at debt through history. the amount we owe has ebbed and flowed. our country's habit of spending more than it takes in is nothing new. while wree currently at the highest level of debt our country has seen, 1835 saw the lowest...
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so this tax increase will take care of maybe 3 to 7% of the deficit. he has talked about a balanced approach. what is the solution for the other 93%? that's what we have to start getting our arms around. creditors around the world, at some point are going to take a look at the united states government and say, we are not going to loan you money. when the interest rates inch up, we crowd out all kinds of spending. if we revert to the average interest rate we had from 1970 to 1999, 5.3% that, cost $600 billion per year in added interest expense. that's what we are trying to avoid with a fiscally responsible plan. >> we stand by with you and the rest of the folks on the hill to see what you get today. we wish you all the best in finding a solution. >> thank you. >> the president is blaming congress, specifically republicans in the house, republicans blame the president. who do the american people think is at fault? we have our spokesperson for the dnc and for the rnc. >> good to be with you. we be that the polling is not good for anybody in washington, wh
so this tax increase will take care of maybe 3 to 7% of the deficit. he has talked about a balanced approach. what is the solution for the other 93%? that's what we have to start getting our arms around. creditors around the world, at some point are going to take a look at the united states government and say, we are not going to loan you money. when the interest rates inch up, we crowd out all kinds of spending. if we revert to the average interest rate we had from 1970 to 1999, 5.3% that,...
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lays the groundwork for work on growth and deficit reduction. that is an achievable goal. >> today's meeting is the first with the president since november 16. sign for republicans that mr. obama has not really been pushing that hard for a deal. >> we need presidential leadership on in the just taxing rich people. >> three words the president did not use. he did not use the word sequester and he didn't say "debt ceiling" either. he focused most of his remarx on preventing taxes from going up. there are also massive spending cuts coming. no idea how they will avert that. he also did not mention the debt ceiling. earlier they wanted lifting the debt ceiling included. now it's clear it's not in the short-term package that guarantees if they get a short-term deal here, we have major budget battles coming. >> the key to any good negotiation each side has to give up something. near and dear to their heart. what is it, as succinctly as you imagine, both sides have given up? >> both sides say the president started on threshold of tax cut of $250,000. ne
lays the groundwork for work on growth and deficit reduction. that is an achievable goal. >> today's meeting is the first with the president since november 16. sign for republicans that mr. obama has not really been pushing that hard for a deal. >> we need presidential leadership on in the just taxing rich people. >> three words the president did not use. he did not use the word sequester and he didn't say "debt ceiling" either. he focused most of his remarx on...
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and debt. they're suggesting we want new taxes, higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> republicans continue saying they're waiting for harry reid to make a counter offer. >> they're not making that tonight. he's told us that's not going to happen it but they're working on it. a sounds like a change of entitlement programs is irritating them. >> republicans created way of calculating inflation to lower payments to recipients of social security. the senate majority leader offered this update a short time ago. >>> i was really gratified to hear republicans took their dammed for social security benefit cuts off the table. they should never have been on the table. there's still significant distance between the sides but negotiations continue. there's still time left and we intend to continue negotiations. >> senator mitch mcconnell says there was no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. all that's is needed he says is a willingness, interest, or courage
it ought to be about reducing the deficit and debt. they're suggesting we want new taxes, higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> republicans continue saying they're waiting for harry reid to make a counter offer. >> they're not making that tonight. he's told us that's not going to happen it but they're working on it. a sounds like a change of entitlement programs is irritating them. >> republicans created way of calculating inflation to lower...
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we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to the clinton levels of taxation. if we went back to the clinton levels of taxation we're still double the highest bush era of deficit spending still because spending was accelerated so much in 2009 and 2010. we're trying to bring the spending levels back down. on the contrary if we just brought the spending levels down to the clinton level spending instead of tax level going up to clinton level of tax it is would solve this. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. we're trying to say how do we get out of debt. the president is saying let's get past the fiscal cliff and let's keep moving on. that doesn't solve the problem. what solves the problem is reducing spending and get our spending back down so our nation is back in balance again. jon: is it mostly medicare and perhaps social security that are the drivers of the problem in your view? >> it is everything that's on the table. when you look at our discretionary spending, how much that was accelerat
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if, we have to do four things if we want to reduce the deficit. we have to get more revenue, we have to cut domestic spending, we have to trim and reform the health care programs in particular of medicare and medicaid and we have to cut defense. if we do all four of those things we can make significant down payment getting deficit under control. if we do some of them, the numbers are not there enough to make as much progress as we want. this is where mark and i agree. over next six to nine months we could see substantial progress towards smart fiscal policy in the country if the two parties come together. heather: we'll see what happens. thank you both very much for joining us until monday night. thank you. >> merry christmas. happy new year. [heavy breathing]. gregg: boy, remember that, video from april of 2011. monster tornado tearing through tuscaloosa, alabama, devastating the community and alberta baptist church. ever since then the church's pastor has been fighting insurers and fema and the city to try to rebuild. this month, finally some mo
if, we have to do four things if we want to reduce the deficit. we have to get more revenue, we have to cut domestic spending, we have to trim and reform the health care programs in particular of medicare and medicaid and we have to cut defense. if we do all four of those things we can make significant down payment getting deficit under control. if we do some of them, the numbers are not there enough to make as much progress as we want. this is where mark and i agree. over next six to nine...
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annual federal deficits over a trillion dollars. he will not change his tune. this is about the fundamental transformation of the nation. that is why he needs all tax rates to go up because he needs to get where the real money is which is the middle class. gregg: that debt is fundamental economics. really baffling. >> right. gregg: monica, good to see you. nice column. merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas to you too. gregg: bye-bye. heather: to a fox news alert now. we just got word to expect a news conference anytime now from police in upstate new york after a gunman opened fire at four firefighters who showed up to just do their job, battle a fire that actually may have been ended up being a trap set by the shooter. police in webster, new york, outside of rochester, they say two of those firefighters were killed at scene. another two were treated at a local hospital. we're awaiting for that news conference. we'll have a live report in moments on what we may learn from police and plus the 911 calls that we got moments ago from this case. so stay tuned. >
annual federal deficits over a trillion dollars. he will not change his tune. this is about the fundamental transformation of the nation. that is why he needs all tax rates to go up because he needs to get where the real money is which is the middle class. gregg: that debt is fundamental economics. really baffling. >> right. gregg: monica, good to see you. nice column. merry christmas to you. >> merry christmas to you too. gregg: bye-bye. heather: to a fox news alert now. we just...
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the president in addressing a deficit added $1.6 trillion in new spending. gregg: yeah. >> so who are we joking right now? the president has never taken the spending side of this equation seriously, which is why we don't have a deal. republicans have put their necks on the line supporting new revenues, the president's not coming through. gregg: senator barrasso said the president does want to go over the cliff, because he wants to punish republicans. is there something to that? >> i don't think there's anything to that, but the reality is that if he wants to get anything done, he has two options. he either breaks the republicans on taxes, or he breaks the republicans. i read that somewhere, and i thought it was a fantastic quote. but i do think that he is going -- i don't think any of us want to see the country go off the cliff. gregg: maybe he just didn't think $16 trillion in debt is a big deal, basil? >> i think he thinks it's a big deal if we go off this cliff. we're talking about two million folks that will not get unemployment anymore, i don't think an
the president in addressing a deficit added $1.6 trillion in new spending. gregg: yeah. >> so who are we joking right now? the president has never taken the spending side of this equation seriously, which is why we don't have a deal. republicans have put their necks on the line supporting new revenues, the president's not coming through. gregg: senator barrasso said the president does want to go over the cliff, because he wants to punish republicans. is there something to that? >> i...
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of assets including buildings and hrafpbltd why selling these some say could make a big dent in our deficit. gregg: man doesn't leave his best friend even when he falls through the ice. okay, here's the plan. you have a plan? first we're gonna check our bags for free, thanks to our explorer card. then, the united club. my motr was so wrong about you. next, we get priory boarding on our flight i booked with miles. all because of the card. gregg: i want to show you this new video of a dramatic rcue in china. a young woman getting money from an atm machine is grabbed from behind and then a knife is put to her throat. there you see it. you can see the man holding her. a special unit of police and professional negotiators dispatched immediately to the scene after two hours finally able to take him down. wow. patti ann: the u.s. government is the nation's largest assett holder managing nearly 900,000 buildings and 640 million acres of land. in short hundreds of billions worth of assets that it could sell off to pay down the national debt. some say it's time for the government to start selling. wi
of assets including buildings and hrafpbltd why selling these some say could make a big dent in our deficit. gregg: man doesn't leave his best friend even when he falls through the ice. okay, here's the plan. you have a plan? first we're gonna check our bags for free, thanks to our explorer card. then, the united club. my motr was so wrong about you. next, we get priory boarding on our flight i booked with miles. all because of the card. gregg: i want to show you this new video of a dramatic...
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but, if you're a deficit hawk, you might be happy with this news. the congressional budget office estimates that with all of these new tax revenues, plus those mandatory spending cuts kicking in january 1st, that would all cut the deficit in half next year to about $600 billion. kelly? kelly: we would go through this for about half a year. then there's a talk among some people, that we would actually rebound at the end of six months or so. but that is a lot of pain to go through. is there any idea of what could happen to the economy or stock market as a result of congressional inactivity? >> well, yeah. the cb. off and many private economists say that the $600 billion in fiscal tighting, as you say would push the economy into recession next year and send the unemmoment rate to back above 9%. a survey of investment managers found 60% of the them see a drop in the dow industrials of 10% or more if the cliff is not avoided. kelly? kelly: boy, that is very ominous. peter, thank you. hopefully something can be done. peter barnes. jamie: another extreme w
but, if you're a deficit hawk, you might be happy with this news. the congressional budget office estimates that with all of these new tax revenues, plus those mandatory spending cuts kicking in january 1st, that would all cut the deficit in half next year to about $600 billion. kelly? kelly: we would go through this for about half a year. then there's a talk among some people, that we would actually rebound at the end of six months or so. but that is a lot of pain to go through. is there any...
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more stimulus, $50 billion in additional government spending, which would only add to the debt and deficit. what impact does that have? >> i think that have essentially no impact. the u.s. has been growing since june of 2009. this is not a case where the government needs to step in and stop a free fall. the problem is we're growing too slowly. we are growing at rates that are 1, 1.5, 2%, and we should be growing at rates of 3 and 4%. to do that we need permanent fixes. fixes to entitlement programs, tax reform, that's the recipe for more rapid growth. it's also the same recipe for fixing the debt. gregg: how about 7 and 8% growth which is what happened this ronald reagan reduced the tabgts rates. the tax rates. >> that would be phenomenal. we haven't seen that since the 1980s. it will take a very big pla change in the playbook in washington for that to happen h. gregg: thank you very much. >> thank you. gregg: what will it cost you if washington can't make a deal before next week, something that is looking more and more likely? you can find out all you need to know on our website foxnews.c
more stimulus, $50 billion in additional government spending, which would only add to the debt and deficit. what impact does that have? >> i think that have essentially no impact. the u.s. has been growing since june of 2009. this is not a case where the government needs to step in and stop a free fall. the problem is we're growing too slowly. we are growing at rates that are 1, 1.5, 2%, and we should be growing at rates of 3 and 4%. to do that we need permanent fixes. fixes to...
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and kicked the can down the road and only talking about taxes which will do nothing to decrease the deficit. >> juliet: thank you for joining us and waking up at the bright and early hour of 6:10 a.m. >> clayton: thanks, curtis. let's check with maria molina, another snowstorm in ohio and east and some places in southern new england got up to a foot of snow. >> dave: and drivers be warned, five people hurt in new hampshire after a 20-car pileup and some airports saw slays and a plane taken off in sheing slid off the runway, and stuck in a snow bank, 6 6 on board. no one was hurt. >> juliet: for more on the conditions as mr. clayton morris said, maria molina. i was saddened not to see a white new years, pre-new years. >> we didn't see it accumulate in new york, in manhattan. outside, hoboken saw snow on the cars, but not on the ground or the streets, but place ins connecticut and massachusetts actually saw close to a foot of snow. i even sawmill ford, massachusetts over a foot of snow and some people did get lucky and needed snow across portions of we haven't is that much snow so far this wi
and kicked the can down the road and only talking about taxes which will do nothing to decrease the deficit. >> juliet: thank you for joining us and waking up at the bright and early hour of 6:10 a.m. >> clayton: thanks, curtis. let's check with maria molina, another snowstorm in ohio and east and some places in southern new england got up to a foot of snow. >> dave: and drivers be warned, five people hurt in new hampshire after a 20-car pileup and some airports saw slays and...